DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: Long time reader, first time caller, all that jazz. I’ve seen you talk about making small talk and asking questions and all that but what do you do if the other person just won’t respond half the time?
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Let me explain.
I made a resolution this year to be closer with my friends and strengthen our friendships, because I feel like most of my friendships are actually pretty shallow and I’d like to change that. Among the people I’m trying to be closer with is a female friend of mine, about 6 or so years younger than me. She originally ended up in my social circle because she was the cousin of one friend and dating another, but stayed around after they broke up, because we all thought she was cool. We’re occasionally flirty but nothing serious and while I wouldn’t mind if something happened between us, I’m not going to go out of my way to try to make it happen. It either will or it won’t and that’s fine with me either way, I’m just trying to have tighter friends, especially since I’m fairly certain she’s casually dating someone. I mention the flirting because I wonder if it’s relevant or not, as you’ll see in a moment.
Recently, I asked if she wanted to grab dinner at a new place in town I wanted to check out and just generally hang out. She said sure, we meet up, get a table, order drinks and half the conversation is great and half the conversation is me asking questions and getting either short answers or awkward silence.
I noticed is that if we try to talk about anything personal beyond the very shallow “so, how’s it going?”, she clams up. And to be clear, I don’t mean like I’m flirting when I try to learn more or get personal, I just mean anything that goes beyond whatever happened this week. But if I bring up something like JRPGS or computer games we’re both playing, like Metaphor: ReFantazio or Baldur’s Gate 3 or some other non-personal topic, then suddenly the conversation is easy and starts flowing like a river. Her face lights up, we talk about the characters we rolled, crazy outcomes to things we tried in game, all of that. It’s all easy and we’re off to the races. But then I try to bring it back to some of the deeper ‘getting to know you better’ questions and it’s like a gate comes down, the river is dammed up and we’re back to weird awkward silences again. And I should mention that she doesn’t ask many questions back.
My personal theory is that maybe she’s worried that I’ve got the wrong idea that this was a date? Except I would’ve said that it was a date when I asked and our occasional flirting aside, I’ve never made anything that I would think could be seen as a move.
I have no idea if I’m doing something wrong, if she doesn’t want to be friends or if there’s some secret third thing I am completely missing.
So doctor doctor give me the news. What’s going on here and what do I do about it?
But How About Patch 8?
DEAR BUT HOW ABOUT PATCH 8: This is one of those times where I think you have to accept someone as they are, BHAP8 and just roll with it.
Now, I wish you had provided examples of what you mean by “personal” questions, because that is a pretty wide range, even with the “shallow” filter. That could cover anything from “what’s been going on at work” to “anyway, how is your sex life?”, and how deep or personal you’re getting could provide some insight to the issue.
Without that level of info, we’re going to have to speculate, instead.
There’re a few possibilities here. One possibility is that yes, you’re right: she feels like you’re trying to go from occasional flirting buddies to something more, and rather than trying to turn you down directly, she’s hoping you’ll get the hint without her having to say it out loud.
I know you never said anything about it being a date, but there’re a lot of guys who’ll try to pull the Schrodinger’s Date card, where you’re both on a date and not on a date at the same time. If she’s worried that you’re trying to rope her into something or that it might be something that could be interpreted as being into you, getting quiet and not playing along is one way of avoiding the issue. This is especially true if she’s someone who’s conflict averse, or really worried about having to directly say “no” and upsetting you.
Another possibility is that she’s the sort of person who feels uncomfortable talking about herself, or may feel like you two aren’t close enough to really share those sides of her life.
A third possibility is that she doesn’t know what to say. I’m sure you’ve had moments where someone asked you something and then suddenly you realized you didn’t know how to answer it. One of the classic examples is “what do you do for fun?” or “what do you like to do when you’re not at work?” and you’re suddenly wondering if you’ve ever had fun in your entire life because you can’t think of a single thing. No hobbies, no outside interests, the inside of your head is nothing but a dial tone as you try to think of an answer and just draw blank after blank after blank. Sometimes being put on the spot like that can just cause your brain to bluescreen and you’re stuck trying to think of literally anything you’ve ever done ever.
A variation on this could be that she thinks her answers to those questions would be boring or stupid or she’s been made fun of for them before, and so she’s reluctant to bring them up. A lot of people – women especially – get told that they talk too much or that people don’t want to hear about something that they get excited for, and so they end up just quietly self-censoring around those topics.
Now, I think one thing that’s significant is that she opens up when you talk about RPGs and video games. Those seem to be things she really loves and gets a lot of joy out of, so they’re things she’s excited to talk about. This makes me wonder if maybe she’s somewhere on the neurodivergent spectrum and RPGs or games are among her special interests, whereas the personal stuff just seems less interesting or less easy to talk about.
The not asking questions part also makes me wonder if she’s the sort of person who thinks “well, if you had something you wanted me to know, you’d tell me…” and asking questions (or asking questions back) isn’t something that comes naturally or effortlessly to her. There’re some folks – especially among my neurospicy bretheren, sisteren and theytheren – who have to consciously remember that asking questions is A Thing and have to make a point of asking questions, rather than monologuing or going off like a rocket when you bring up something they’re really into.
So what do you do about it? Well, you can try a few conversational gambits, like dropping some obvious open loops or unanswered questions into the stories you tell or information you share – things that would prompt more questions from someone who’s trying to engage with you. You could even call it out directly and ask if she’s uncomfortable when you ask about more personal topics. Or say “is there anything you want to ask me?”
But if I’m being honest, I think this is one of those times where drawing attention to the awkward is only going to make her feel more awkward. I suspect in this case that the better move is to let the more personal or deeper questions go for a bit; I think it’s likely that either she doesn’t feel comfortable answering those questions in general or sharing more personal information with you. Since it doesn’t seem like you two have hung out much on your own, it may be that you just haven’t – in Persona or BG3 terms – gotten your social meter with her to the point where she’d feel comfortable talking about herself more. Giving her more time to feel comfortable and focusing on your shared interests – especially since they’re the ones she responds to – will lead to more entertaining conversations for now.
(It’s also possible that she’s just not comfortable talking about herself, period, but my advice would be the same, so it’s a distinction without a difference.)
You might also occasionally drop hints that you’re dating someone else or that you’re not looking at any hangouts with her as a date. Knowing that you’re not trying to pursue something with her might help ease her nerves and encourage her to let her guard down, if that’s the problem.
As it is, having a few ice breakers that don’t feel so personal – did she play the first Baldur’s Gate games and is she more of a Minsc and Boo person or a serious PC character type? Is she more into JRPGs or Western ones, does she like action-RPGs like Skyrim or Oblivion, has she done any tabletop? – could help keep things going. I’d also recommend keeping an eye out for signs that she’s worried that a topic is dull or uninteresting to you; in those cases, make it clear that no, you absolutely want to hear more.
Let her talk about the things she enjoys and she’ll have more fun with the conversation overall. That’ll help her have fun with you in general, which will help strengthen the friendship, even if you two don’t know each other’s deepest secrets. You may get to that point, or you may not, but I think trying to force it is going to have the exact opposite of what you hope.
Good luck.
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