DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I’ve always had issues expressing romantic interest or talking to women outside of work or family, but it’s gotten significantly worse over the last year. I don’t make eye contact with women, walk in the same direction or look at them in public. I can only talk to women in situations where the conversation has as least one other guy.
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There’s a few reasons for this. My father committed awful actions against others and I feared I would follow suit. From there, my younger sister experienced behavior I realized I was doing. She avoids going to the gym because men would look at her, which made her feel uncomfortable. She wasn’t catcalled or inappropriately talked to, she just felt a lot of eyes on her and it caused her to stop going. Lots of people were mad about the TikTok gym situation, but having heard from her how uncomfortable being looked at made her feel and how she avoided going at all, I realized how often I looked at women and how I likely contributed to that uncomfortable experience. I feel gross looking at women knowing I might be the reason they feel too scared to go to the gym or a park.
From what I read online, many other women experience the same issues. Some state they can’t go into a public place without awkwardly getting asked out, or they enjoy a class only to stop going when men try to flirt with them. It makes them uncomfortable, annoyed, or creeped out. I don’t want to do that to others. So I actively began avoiding eye contact, looking, walking too close or appearing to follow, getting too close or making advances.
I figured I would just use dating apps to try and find relationships. However, I experience radio silence on them. It could be that my initial conversations starters are sterile and sanitized, or my pictures or something in my control. But eventually the fears I have in public reach online apps. After getting nervous I’m too forward or awkward, I eventually just get flustered and give up.
I’ve talked to a few therapists on this issue. What is often brought up is that the actions I perform to avoid being creepy may be more creepy. By doing things like avoiding eye contact or turning my head, I could be signaling that I am attempting to hide something or avoid suspicion. This would make women feel more creeped out in public because I’m not signaling my actual intentions.
I understand how my body language will cause this issue. However, I get flustered because I fear there’s no solution. If I look at women, I make them uncomfortable. If I don’t look at women, I make them uncomfortable. This results in me avoiding social situations altogether, as I’d rather be miserable and uncomfortable than make someone else miserable and uncomfortable.
When talking about this with others, I get responses like ‘just treat them like people’ or ‘get out of your comfort zone’ or ‘you’re going to be awkward, it takes practice.’ I don’t care to waste people’s time or make them cringe by saying something stupid. I get so nervous about showing the slightest bit of romantic interest when it’s not warranted or misinterpreting romantic intent for just being friendly. They are people, they deserve to not feel awkward.
I’m not sure what to do.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
Terminally Creepy
DEAR TERMINALLY CREEPY: OK TC, I’m gonna start from the bottom, because there’s an important thing you’re missing. You say “They are people, they deserve to not feel awkward”.
Well, you’re people, too. You deserve to not feel awkward. And you also deserve to not feel like you have to slide through the world as frictionless as possible for fear of ever inconveniencing anyone, ever.
Now to be clear, your intent is noble. You don’t want to make people feel uncomfortable or awkward. That’s great. There’s only one problem though: you’re assuming a level of control you don’t actually have. You can’t control how other people feel. There is no collection of actions you can take or not take that will guarantee that everybody will only feel what you want them to feel or that they won’t feel what you’d prefer they didn’t. That has nothing to do with your succeeding or failing at trying to keep people comfortable and has everything to do with the fact that people are irrational, chaotic and our actions and choices and feelings may not make a lick of goddamn sense to anyone who doesn’t have the full 24/7 feed of what’s going on in our brains.
Individuals might decide to feel some way about you that you literally can’t control for or anticipate. Someone may think your hair color is too much. The way you dress may be close to some negative experience they’ve had. They may even just have a bad case of bitch-eating-crackers, where you could be minding your own business and eating crackers and they get upset because look at you, sitting there eating crackers like you think you’re special.
You don’t have control over what other people think or feel. And if we’re being honest, the person whose feelings you’re ultimately trying to control… are yours.
What you’re experiencing is a form of anxiety, and as I’ve said before: anxiety is a maladaptive form of self-protection. It’s your brain trying to keep you safe from the things you’re afraid of. The fact that it makes you miserable in the process is irrelevant. Our brains are programmed to keep us safe; our happiness doesn’t matter.
As I said, this is coming from a noble place. Your father did horrible things and you don’t want to be like him. Your sister experienced deeply uncomfortable things and you don’t want to contribute to that. That’s all very good. Some of this is under your control; you aren’t destined to be like your father. You can choose to not be, to be better than him and resolve to break any sort of generational curse. He may have been horrible, as his father before him. You can decide that you won’t follow in their footsteps, that you will be the one who breaks that curse and becomes better than they ever were.
But that doesn’t mean living in fear or making yourself increasingly small.
Just as I’ve said elsewhere about anxiety and self-protection, part of the problem with anxiety is that it never stays static. If you don’t actively confront it and avoid it instead, it just grows. The things that make you anxious multiply as you avoid even the things that might trigger you’re anxiety and so the world you allow yourself to live in becomes smaller and smaller and smaller. You can see this happening now, as you overthink things and see your trying to avoid creeping people out as being creepy.
So what do you do about this? Well, to start with you give up the illusion of control. You can’t control what others think, assume or feel; you can only control what you do. Someone can feel the way that they feel about you and your actions; you can’t control that. You can only control what you do. You can examine your behavior and do your best to make sure you’re not doing anything egregious, but you also can’t ensure that everyone’s going to feel the exact same way about everything. The most you can do is to do your best to live with integrity and in alignment with your values. If you mess up, you do your best to make things right and to not make that mistake again.
But first you have to actually have made a mistake.
You also have to recognize when people aren’t talking about you, especially when they’re talking in generalities. Part of that means some functional media literacy – understanding that what people are talking about isn’t what you are doing, and also to read beyond your knee-jerk assumptions. When women are complaining about guys hitting on them when they go out, they don’t mean people having normal conversations and going about their day. Nor do they mean classmates who want to be friends or who are interested in getting to know them better.
What they mean are guys who know nothing about them coming up, running the same spiel they give to everyone and generally treating them like an object rather than an individual. The guys who hear “no” as “try harder” and “I’m not interested” as “I’m testing you, keep at it.” They are talking about guys who go to classes just to try to get laid and shotgun their interest in hopes that if they throw enough lead in the air they’ll hit something, eventually.
The same thing involves guys who stare and make women uncomfortable. The key word there? Stare. I don’t know you’re your sister experienced, but I have a lot of friends who’ve had similar experiences with guys ogling them. One of the things that all those stories had in common was that none of my friends were describing normal, average behavior. Those guys weren’t noticing a woman out of the corner of their eyes or looking over, appreciating someone’s aesthetic appeal and then going back to whatever they were doing. They’re the ones who are looking at a woman like a starving man looking at a ribeye, the ones who are leering like a cartoon wolf or who seem to be trying to measure how many lampshades they could make out of her skin.
They weren’t looking at her like a person, they were looking at her like an object to be consumed.
Are you doing any of that? No? Cool… then the women you see talking on social media aren’t talking about you.
By that same token, some things they say may make little sense to you or that the reaction is out of proportion to the offense. Ok, so then try a little empathy and nuance. Do your best to try to look at it – honestly, without your negative bias coloring in the lines – from their perspective. Try to put yourself into their shoes and understand where they’re coming from. Again, however, you have to do this without leaping to the conclusion that you’re automatically guilty by existing, rather than recognizing that 9 times out of 10 they’re not talking about everyday behavior.
Part of media literacy also means recognizing the perverse incentives of social media as well. People seem to keep forgetting that almost every social media service is run on algorithms that prioritize engagement over everything else, and nothing boosts engagement like outrage and anger. This means that there are perverse incentives to be a little louder, a little more outraged, a little more extreme than the previous person, because it gets you more attention. S--theads like Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro say outrageous s--t in part because it gets people’s eyeballs and people react to it. West End Caleb became a thing in part because people kept piling on and on and trying to outdo one another; the same with the Couch “Cheater” and others.
So the things you’re seeing aren’t indicative of the thoughts of Every Woman Alive, Ever, they’re what rise to the top of your feed because those are posts designed to goose engagement. And if you are engaging with them – reading them, commenting, even just watching those videos without clicking away – then you’re telling the algorithm to send you more because you are engaging with them. This then creates the illusion that it’s all omnipresent. Key word here: illusion.
Now I think there’re a few things you need right now. One of them is to talk to your therapist about anxiety and how to manage it. This may mean medication, it may mean different forms of therapy, it may even mean just learning to pause and pay attention to what you thought and how much of that was what you really think or what you’re anxiety is saying.
Case in point: your fear of saying something stupid or cringe. How often have you heard someone else flub what they were saying, say the wrong thing or accidentally shove their foot in their mouth. Out of all those times, how often did you come away thinking “ugh, how dare that person even show their face in public?”
If we’re being honest? Probably never. Hell, most of the time you probably forgot it even happened until I asked you to remember it, specifically.
Well guess what? The same is true of you. When you’ve said stupid things or did something cringe – as everyone has – the people around you likely didn’t notice. If they noticed, they almost certainly didn’t care, and definitely not for longer than span of time it would take them to have a sip of their drink. The grace you’re giving to others about their dumb or cringe moments is the same grace you should be giving yourself.
This is why part of what you need is to recognize that what you’re doing isn’t helping anyone; it’s only hurting you. You aren’t even setting yourself on fire to make other people warm. You’re setting yourself on fire on the off chance that someone else, somewhere, might be cold… and most of the people around you aren’t even chilly.
All you’re doing is diminishing yourself and reinforcing the idea that you are inherently unwelcome and unwanted based on nothing more than your own fears. Learning to love and celebrate yourself, to recognize your own worth and that you are deserving to be comfortable, just as other people are.
And on that note, it’s also important to realize you’re setting yourself up for failure. You have created a standard for yourself that is literally impossible to meet. You are expecting yourself to perform certain acts – like recognizing romantic interest or asking someone on a date – perfectly, the first time you ever even attempt to do so. And that’s not how this works. That’s not how anything works.
Part of learning how to recognize romantic interest over friendship, or to show romantic interest successfully or even just to not be too forward or less awkward is practice. You are only ever going to get better at meeting people, reading the room and so on through practice. That means you’re going to make mistakes. You’re going to misread things. You’re going to say stupid things. You’re going to ask people on dates and they’re going to turn you down. And all of that is ok. You are wildly overestimating the level of impact that you’re going to have on people when you’re being sincere and acting in good faith. Trust me: the vast majority of folks are going to understand the difference between a guy who’s only “crime” is hoping someone liked him more than they do and the guy who thinks “no, go away” is what happens to other people. There’s a vast gulf between “I’m going to this museum exhibit on Saturday, I’d love to take you if you’re interested” and “Hey baby don’t be like that, you should give me a chance, get to know me, come on at least give me a smile” and very, very few people will confuse the two when they’re on the receiving end of it.
All of which is a long-winded way of saying: things aren’t nearly as dire as it seems in your head. Take a breath. It’ll be ok. You’re not the monster you’re afraid of being. Work on your anxiety, stop trying to control the world and give yourself the grace you’re giving to others. It’ll be alright. I promise.
All will be well.
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