DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: Your advice and one of your books has been really useful in the past, so I’d really appreciate your input if you can find the time to squeeze me in.
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I’ve been hooking up with a friend, “B” for the past couple of months. The original intent at least for me was a FWB arrangement, and for the most part that’s what it is. She’s recently divorced after being separated for two years (weekend past was the anniversary; she made a point of saying actually). Since the separation/divorce she’s been pretty sexually active with different people, still is. When we got involved we made a point of laying down the rules – she wasn’t looking for anything that would “restrict” her, so I would continue looking for someone I could have a relationship with (more on that later).Hands were shook, uglies were knocked, orgasms were had (she actually told me I’m the first guy to get her off).
Initially she made a point of worrying about me catching feelings as she’s had that happen despite her being emphatically clear about not wanting that. That said, when she got wind of me seeing someone, “K”, she not long after told me she’d be happy to talk about other women if it would help me, but admitted that would be “hard” because her “feelings had evolved”. “There was more to the relationship than she thought”, and so on.
So with her having said that via text, I made a point of us talking about it when we next the night together. RE things having “evolved”, she said “from a dinosaur to a bird”, i.e. not much had actually changed, but regardless I realised that part of me had opened up to the idea of being with her and made me feel a bit vulnerable and anxious. I realise she has an incredible amount to offer as a partner, and I have a lot I can give her back too.
After this (she’s just bought her own place and I’d helped her move in), she wanted to spend some time by herself, just trying to “be” and help her decide what she wants. We still spoke a lot via text. This includes another conversation where she said she was still working out what she “wants” and “what she’s allowing herself to have”, and some pretty spicy exchanges before we next saw each other where we spent the whole weekend together. She made a point of making sure we had that time.
During that weekend, I told her I would like for us to find a way to move forward together. It wouldn’t necessarily change a lot immediately, I still wouldn’t really want to “restrict” her, outside of wanting to move toward something monogamous, which she said she can’t do and her reasons for that. I’m also mindful of things she *didn’t* say: no comment was made on whether she would like or not like to find any way to move forward in any sense. To quote the philosopher O’Malley: no response *is* a response.
Now, all this time I’ve still been seeing K. I made a point of making sure both of them were aware of the other and what was involved to make sure there’s no deceit and K is absolutely one of my people. I earnestly want to at least be friends with her if things don’t work out romantically. Instead of just throwing all my attention toward making things work with K, however, instead I’m starting to question if I would be comfortable with an open relationship with B? Maybe if I was the main? Would she even want me to be the main? I’ve been challenging established preconceptions I had about what a relationship can or cannot be. I’m just not sure if I want to go into another conversation with her so quickly after the last, if at all.
While I’m not yet in a position where I need to make a decision, I wonder if there is a decision to be made, and does it even start with me? Does B want me? Is she wanting to keep me around? Unsure of what she really wants? Am I an idiot for questioning my thoughts instead of pursuing K?
Thanks Doc
Betty Or Veronica?
DEAR BETTY OR VERONICA: Serious question, BoV: do you actually want an open relationship? Or is it that B is pulling back and you’re reacting to that instead?
There are other issues to consider here, but let’s start with making sure you understand your own mind before we worry about those. You want to make sure that you are making decisions based on what is actually good for you, rather than what is appealing in the moment.
One of the most tired cliches in dating is “we instinctively chase that which runs from us”. This is part of why “playing hard to get” has been one of the hoariest of dating strategies out there – everything from the “three days” rule for when to call to the entire philosophy that underpins The Rules. But it’s a cliché for a reason. Being told we can’t have something is a time-honored method of increasing demand; all you have to do is check eBay whenever a new shiny toy comes out and demand outstrips supply. People were paying double MSRP for Wii’s, Switches and PS5s, just because they couldn’t wait any longer for production to catch up.
The same thing happens in relationships. When you’re used to having someone’s attention and affection and it’s suddenly not there anymore, you feel the lack even more sharply than you did the attention. Even if you weren’t as into them as they were into you, there’s an almost atavistic response to try to get that attention back. It’s why you see so many stories of folks who don’t seem to care about their partner right up until they get dumped. Now, suddenly, they’re almost frenzied in trying to get them back. Sometimes this is because the loss made them realize their true feelings… but a lot of time, it’s simply because the vacuum sucks them in.
Now to be fair to you: you were already starting to come around to thinking that maybe B could be a good match after all. So it’s certainly possible that this isn’t just the sudden absence talking. But also to be fair to B: she told you from the start that she didn’t want you catching feelings. And while her feelings may have “evolved”, they don’t seem to have evolved far enough to make her want a committed relationship. And that right there is one of the big bad complications waiting in the wings.
The other, of course, is K.
Right now, you’re deep in your feels and I think it’s making you put the cart before the horse. B hasn’t said one way or another about wanting something more serious or monogamous – with you or anyone else, for that matter. She said her feelings have “evolved from dinosaur to bird” but not what that means. Does that mean that maybe she’s realzing that she has feelings for you? Or does it mean that even if the relationship is casual, she’s not cool with sharing? Or maybe she’s realizing that she may be more open to non-monogamy… but that doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re going to be her primary partner.
You also don’t say how K feels about all of this. There’s nothing in your letter about whether K is interested in anything more than a casual connection, nothing about whether she’s open to an ENM relationship or how she feels about all of this. Yes, she is presumably ok with you seeing other folks when it’s all casual, but your catching feelings for someone might change the math.
This is the difference between polyamory and non-monogamy: non-monogamy is simply not being sexually exclusive. Polyamory is having multiple, concurrent, romantic relationships, and that can be a very different beast for people. It’s one thing to be a FWB with someone who has multiple FWBs. It’s another when you’ve gone from being roughly equal to secondary.
And if she gets the feeling that she’s more backup than partner, then you’re going to be dealing with problems on two fronts.
So the first thing I would suggest is to sit with your feelings for a little while and try to determine whether your feelings for her are based out of chasing for something that’s out of reach. This runs the risk of your making decisions less out of what’s best for you and more out of a fear of loss.
If you’re not actually poly, trying for a poly relationship just to keep B around is likely to end in tears. You may want to start trying to see how you would feel if either K or B were entirely out of the picture; imagine that one of them had dipped out with 100% certainty that there was no future relationship with them. How does that change things? Are you less conflicted about your feelings for B? More? What about K? does the idea of giving up K to have a relationship with B change how you feel? Or does it clarify things for you?
While you’re doing this, you need to sit tight and give B time to figure out her own mind and feelings. She said she wanted to sort things out for herself. As of right now, you don’t know what that’s going to be, or what will be on the table when and if she comes back. She may well have decided that your catching feelings for her is a deal breaker, evolution from raptor to chicken not-withstanding. Trying to plan for the relationship in your head runs the very high risk of disappointment if she decides that she can’t do a relationship with you – poly or otherwise – or that you would have to functionally be her side-piece, rather than her primary partner.
You should also talk with K and get her feelings on things. If she’s not down for a poly relationship, then this is going to be a self-solving issue: you get K or B, not both.
And believe me, I’ve seen a lot of folks do the “Well, if this is the only way I can be with her” dance. Hell, I’ve officiated marriages where someone had a poly-under-duress partner, and it’s rarely a fun time. It takes a pretty particular sort of person to make that work without it being sandpaper to the soul and you have to know yourself very well before deciding that’s you.
If, over the course of this, you think that you really are polyamorous at heart, then now would be the time to start doing some due diligence. I’d suggest starting to educate yourself on the ins and outs of poly and ENM relationships and doing some reading. Opening Up by Tristan Taormino, The Ethical Slut by Dossie Easton and Janet Harvey, and Building Open Relationships by Dr. Liz Powell are good starting points.
(Full disclosure: Dr. Liz is a friend of mine and they’ve guest-written for this column before).
But for now: work on knowing your own mind and wait for B and K to figure out theirs before you start making any plans. Otherwise, you’re running the risk of trying to have it all and then losing everything in the process.
Good luck.
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