DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I tried to search for that sort of thing on this site, but I can’t find anything about it. This is unusual because the internet is literally full with it. Especially Reddit.
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Now I saw that women claim that they wouldn’t leave their boyfriend just because he lost in a fight but they never claim that it actually happened and they stayed together after it. Also they tend to say that the fighting ability of their boyfriend doesn’t concern them in the slightest, especially because he can’t escort them every time they go outside. So the latter means that they have to be able to handle themselves anyway, so they can do it the same way even if their boyfriend is there with them.
But then there are the cases where the belligerent is actually targeting the boyfriend for a fight so he won’t stop the harassment and the woman can’t get him to stop unless she is willing to use force to do it. There are other cases too where the woman starts something with a man only to drag her boyfriend into a fight (usually inadvertently as she doesn’t realize that he might get attacked if she antagonizes the wrong kind of guy). This applies to guy friends too who is only a friend of the woman, like that case here that you answered ten or so years ago (it’s under the “protector” category)
So do you think women won’t end the relationship just because the boyfriend loses a fight? I mean Reddit is literally flooded with this issue, you can check it for yourself if you want to.
The main reason I’m asking this is because I’m really into self-defense, so I know how easy it is to die in a fight. (Or end up paralyzed, brain damaged, with organ damage, PTSD, imprisoned, you name it.) Also anyone who is into self-defense, martial arts, combat sports and the like will tell you that they go to great lengths to avoid fights because of the danger involved.
BTW the women I know form SD think the same way about fights as I do. They too use every pre-violence SD method in order to avoid fights. (Sit. Awareness, moving away, tactical retreat, de-escalation, etc)
I Know Kung Fu
DEAR I KNOW KUNG FU: I’m going to level with you IKF: I was really tempted to keep this letter for another lightning round column and save this for the “Sir, this is a Wendy’s” slot.
But I haven’t. Because after having to actually dig in, untangle this mess and figure out what the hell you were talking about, I decided that there’s enough here that ties into classic, toxic and restrictive ideas of masculinity that it’s worth addressing. And considering the number of suburban commandos that feel like they need to wear 8k worth of ill-fitting battle-rattle in order to feel safe going to Costco after spending tens of thousands of dollars to go to Navy SEAL fantasy camp and dudes who hold elaborate, detailed fantasies about home invasions, talking about guys who pretend that the world runs on Conan The Barbarian rules feels relevant.
Let’s start with the really obvious: the reason why you can’t find anything about this in my archives is because what you’re talking about is bugf—k nuts. This isn’t A Thing. This is the sort of “guys talking to other guys who pretend to have talked to girls who said that Ferris’ girlfriend dumped him for getting knocked out at the 31 Flavors last night” sort of s--t that continues to convince the impressionable, gullible and terminally online that masculinity is in crisis and that the only people who are dating or having sex are six and a half foot tall Vikings who wear Audemars Piguet Royal Oaks and drive McLarens, despite all evidence to the contrary.
The fact that it’s “all over the Internet” (it isn’t) and “especially Reddit” (surprise surprise surprise) isn’t proof that I’m somehow missing or ignoring the story, it’s telling me exactly what accounts you’re following on TikTok and YouTube.
Let’s start with some stats first, because these are going to be relevant. We’ll run with the stats from the Pew Research Center, which tells us that crime in general and violent crime in particular in the US are at historic lows, and have been on a downward trend since the 1990s when they were at their peak. According to the FBI and the Bureau of Justice Statistics, violent crime in general has dropped 49% from 1993 to 2022 and aggravated assault specifically has dropped 39%. The most common form of crimes people experience are property crime, specifically larceny theft, motor vehicle theft and burglary; violent crime comes fourth, with 268 incidents per 100,000 people and robbery comes fifth at 61 incidents per 100,000. Compare this to larceny, which occurs at a rate of 1402 incidents per 100,000 people.
And while there was an uptick of violent crime in 2020 – not terribly surprising considering how people lost their s--t at being told that they should maybe hold off on going to Applebee’s for a couple weeks – even that is down 2.8% as of 2023 and simple assault against men decreased from 9.5 per 1,000 people in 2022 to 6.9 per 1,000 people in 2023. The site Statstia provides a visualization showing just how steep the drop in violent crime has been within our lifetime.
(Amusingly, there’s very good reason to believe that much of this change is entirely down to reduced lead poisoning after leaded gasoline was banned in the 70s.)
I bring this up because reality is starkly different from the world view of would-be Billy Badasses who want to imagine that they’re the only thing standing between their family and the roving gangs of Riffs, Rogues, Boppers and Baseball Furies from The Warriors. The idea of “man as protector” that you bring up is based entirely around scenarios that are so rare that you would literally have better odds of winning the Powerball.
This is the reason why you see women saying that they’re not going to leave their boyfriend if he lost a fight, and why you don’t see corresponding reports of women saying “well my guy got in a fight and I’m still with him.” It’s not that women are lying and just omitting the time they dumped a guy because he got KO’d leaving the bar at closing time, it’s because the likelihood of getting into a fight like that is very f—king low. It requires a belief that the world looks like Kamurocho in the Yakuza series and assuming that people are much more violent than they actually are. This is, in fact, one of the most missed points of Fight Club: when Tyler Durden gives his crew instructions to go pick a fight and deliberately lose, the biggest challenge is getting other people to fight them.
The idea that women want a man who’s a “protector” isn’t about some belief that the world is only held at bay by men willing to do furious violence, it’s misunderstanding that women want someone who’s going to take care of their family and participate in keeping them safe. But safety doesn’t mean “from violence”; in fact, all of the fantasies these dudes LARP over don’t actually reflect the actual threats to their family’s health, safety and well-being. The men who talk about how they would do anything to “protect” their girlfriends, wives or families will make a lot of fuss about being willing to shoot to kill during a theoretical home invasion, but won’t lift a finger to do laundry (cut down on the spread of disease), make sure their kids brush their teeth and get comprehensive dental care (one of the most common causes of death in the poor and underprivileged) or even making sure there’re no guns in the house (one of the biggest predictors of someone dying of gun violence).
Strange how protection seems to only mean “I get to inflict violence on other people,” not “I will make sure that my family is safe from the things that pose actual risks to my family’s health, safety and well-being”. It is a case, as PJ O’Rourke famously said, of “everyone wants to save the world, but nobody wants to help Mom do the dishes.”
It’s all part and parcel with the idea that one’s measure of being “a real man” is one’s willingness and capability of inflicting violence on others. And since being “a real man” is theoretically supposed to come with rewards of hot and cold running sex, there’s an inherent need to believe that women desire this in their partners, much as they supposedly exclusively desire a man with a 600 HP car (that can’t fit a single bag of groceries anywhere in the trunk). As always, the source is “dude, trust me”, strip-mall Spartans, sub-Reddits and some chinless goniff selling them an MLM and tanning their asshole as the path to “true manhood”.
You know who these dudes forgot to check with? Women. Women who are actually dating men and not trying to get in on the manfluencer grift. As I said: the reason why you keep seeing women saying “actually, I’m not really concerned with whether my boyfriend is the best fighter in the province” is because that’s not a thing they’re looking for. They’re not expecting Frank Dux to win the Kumite for them or waiting for someone to defeat their seven evil exes or even prove that they’re the toughest man in Letterkenny, and they’re not looking to recreate scenes from The Bodyguard.
This has far more to do with guys feeling like they aren’t wanted and thus have to be needed… and assume that this would conveniently include the violence they’re supposed to be ready, willing and able to inflict at a moment’s notice. Meanwhile, women aren’t worried about dudes jumping their boyfriend at the bar or hoping for a man who’ll go challenge catcallers to a duel for her honor. In fact, a guy who’s really good and eager to do violence is probably going to be a threat, not a protector. Women have far more reason to worry about their partners slapping them around than whether they know how to react to Bob the Goon leaping out from a dark alley.
(For real fun, go look up the domestic abuse rates of police officers.)
And it’s kind of telling that you’re not extrapolating from people’s responses so much as inventing s--t out of whole cloth and late night movies on basic cable. I mean, even if we leave out the Cynthia Rothrock of it all (“they have to be able to handle themselves anyway”), the whole “woman started s--t with another guy so now her boyfriend is getting dragged into the mess”, while marginally popular in b-tier schlock movies from the 90s, is not often found in Washington D.C. ��Or Atlanta. Or Couer d’Alene. Or Minneapolis. Or Saratoga Springs or Midlothean or Daytona or Chicago or… well you get my point.
The fact of the matter is that you’re begging the question; you’re starting from the premise that this is true rather than questioning why you think this would be the case in the first place. The fact that you don’t have examples of it is being taken as evidence that it must be happening because surely someone would say that “well it happened to me and I still love my boyfriend” as opposed to, say, dealing with the trauma of having watched her boyfriend being the victim of a violent assault.
Now I wouldn’t be surprised if someone is able to pull up a specific example of a woman dumping her boyfriend because he lost a fight. Not because he’s someone who gets into fights, or who’s violent by nature, but specifically because he lost a fight. In a population of billions, you’re gonna find some weirdos. Humanity is amazing that way. But quite frankly, all of this sounds like an attempt to retroactively justify how “being into self-defense” makes you attractive when it doesn’t seem to actually be moving the needle for you.
Were I you, I’d worry a lot less about theoretical women dumping you for trying to avoid a fight and focus a lot more on developing your social skills and charisma instead. And if you really want to burnish up your “protector of women” credentials, maybe go help people who are going to be affected by the incoming administration get access to reproductive health care.
Good luck.
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