DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I’m writing to you because of a problem I’m having with my fiancé’s parents that I’m worried is only going to get worse.
I’ve been with “Janet”, now my fiancé, for three and a half years. Our personalities clicked from the moment we met at a creative-professionals-under-30 Meetup and we both realized very quickly that we had found our better half. I can’t believe how lucky I am that someone as talented, creative and ambitious as Janet, and she feels the same about me. We’re looking forward to being married and raising a family together.
In that time, I’ve gotten to know her family and while her cousins, aunt and uncle all like me, my relationship with her parents has been polite at best. They’ve never been rude or openly inhospitable to me, even in a well-mannered way, but it’s impossible to miss that they’re tolerating me at best. I am not the only person who’s noticed this; Janet has mentioned it several times as well, to me and to her parents.
The central conflict is that her parents are very small-c conservative – they are very firm on holding to long-running family traditions and ideas of what is or isn’t “appropriate” for people. They are big believers in conservative dress and careers and maintaining a very top down, Father-Knows-Best style patriarchal family dynamic. I, on the other hand, come from a family of aged out punks, former hippies and I-Remember-When-Burning-Man-Hadn’t-Sold-Out bohemians. While I can clean up nicely and I’ve got a degree and a steady job in a creative industry with a health salary, I’ve still got more Joe Strummer in my DNA than Joe Kennedy. Janet was a private Catholic school and church girl, I was a high-school troublemaker, insert joke about opposites attracting/skater boy lyrics here.
When their precious little girl brought home a guy with tattoos and piercings, who is most comfortable in a t-shirt and jeans and Docs instead of Brooks Brothers shirts, pleated slacks and loafers, there were some gritted teeth and forced smiles. They clearly thought their daughter was having a rebellious phase and hoped that they could wait things out.
(I feel like I should point out that Janet was 26 and considering a graduate degree when we met.)
Obviously, that didn’t happen. Now it seems as though they’re hoping to actively interfere in our relationship with a goal towards changing her mind. This is where it gets strange.
When it was becoming very clear that we were serious, and I was getting ready to propose, her father pulled me aside towards the end of a family visit. He told me that while his daughter could make her own decisions, he would not give me neither his permission nor his blessing to ask for her hand in marriage. Yes, he actually used the word “permission”. According to him, I was not a good match for his daughter, and he didn’t want to see her “wasting her potential”. I told him that this was fine, I hadn’t been intending to ask his permission, seeing as it was 2025 and not the 1950s and Janet was her own woman who could make up her own mind.
Since then, both her father and her mother have been making comments to her about not “rushing into things”, “thinking about her future” and about whether certain careers (such as, say, mine) could actually support a family. Janet, now officially my fiancé, pointed out that between her salary and mine, we have a very comfortable income that easily supports our chosen lifestyle, and we’ve even saved quite a nice nest egg in our savings account for our future house and family. This doesn’t seem to have made a difference.
They have also apparently been making a point to bring up “Brad”, a guy that Janet knew in high-school and college and how well he’s been doing lately. Brad is the son of one of her father’s friends, and according to Janet, her father had always hoped that she and Brad were going to get together some day. In fact, he had never really stopped trying to set them up, even after we started dating. Brad, in contrast to me, regularly wears suits and ties, quarter zips and khakis when he’s feeling casual and spicy. Unlike my “not serious, not ‘real’” job, Brad is in finance, on the glide path to joining the c-suite at his company and, also according to Janet, about as interesting as an empty beige wall and half as exciting.
Where things are getting weird and frankly uncomfortable is the fact we’re going to be spending the holidays with her family as per one of their unbreakable traditions, only we have just been informed that, in a stunning coincidence, Brad will be joining us. His family is out of the country while he had to stay behind for work and according to Janet’s father, it would be a shame for him to be alone for the holidays.
I don’t think I’m being excessively unreasonable to see this as a setup. I don’t have any worry about this actually working like he hopes, but I DO worry about the precedent this is setting for our future relationship. This feels like an escalation, and I can’t help but think that if this doesn’t get nipped in the bud, it’s only going to get worse. It’s very genteel boundary pushing now, but I don’t think I’m wrong to expect that there will be more, and possibly less genteel pushes and interference down the line. They’re already making noises about not being at the wedding, pointed questions about who’s going to pay for it all, and about limits on Janet’s ‘future when he’s gone’.
(We both feel that these are series of veiled financial threats. This is not out of character for her father. He long used money as a means of control, such as leveraging his paying for school and first apartment as getting a say over her education, university attendance and choice of majors.)
Neither of us are worried about the money. As I said, we’ve got a comfortable living and good savings. However, the behavior is bothersome and I don’t know how to handle this without an actual confrontation with her father, which Janet also wants to avoid. Janet strongly wants me to have a good relationship with her family, and that means it’s important to me. How do I deal with future in-laws who not only don’t like me, but seem to be set on actively bent on sabotaging our engagement?
Planet Schmanet, Janet
DEAR PLANET SCHMANET, JANET: There are times when I get letters that seem implausible enough that I feel like possibly investing some time into trying to track down which Hallmark Christmas movie or mid-tier shoujo romance manga they come from, just for the challenge. And then I remember that I’ve got deadlines and my hyperfocus would just lead to reading far too many Wikipedia and TVTropes pages, so better to just roll with it as though it were real.
(In fact, I’m somewhat tempted to throw open the doors and make a challenge for 2026: send me your best Ask Dr. NerdLove letter based on fictional characters from movies, tv, games or comics and let’s see what happens.)
As per usual, I want to give my standard disclaimer about fake letters: I’m not terribly bothered by someone slipping a creative writing exercise past my filters and bullshit detector as long as there’s actually something useful to be learned. After all, all letters to an advice column are functionally fictional to everyone but the LW. And in this case, I think there is a useful lesson to be had from this.
In this case, PSJ, the lesson is this: this isn’t your fight to pick, and doing so is going to cause more problems than it’s worth. If you want to respect Janet’s wishes to have a healthy relationship with your in-laws, that is.
Now, that doesn’t mean that they’re not doing anything wrong here. I would agree that your future in-laws’ behavior is weirdly retrograde, boundary-pushing, and frankly, head-scratchingly passive-aggressive. It sounds to me like your future father-in-law has never fully accepted that a) he has a grown-ass adult for a daughter with her own life and free will, and b) that he doesn’t live in some weird John Hughes or Joel Schumacher movie. Which is especially sad because at least the rich asshole bullies and villains are interesting.
(Plus, it would lead to wacky Wedding-Crashers/Meet-The-Parents-esque shenanigans that would make for a memorable holiday visit instead of trying to quietly drink away the second-hand embarrassment at watching all this sub-par manipulation go down. Hope the wine’s good enough to make up for it. Although if he invites you to try his special vintage of Amontillado, I recommend you decline. Politely.)
He also, apparently, managed to raise a child to adulthood without ever learning the lesson that obvious parental disapproval has a tendency to make the forbidden fruit all the more tempting. I mean, shit, even The Fantasticks knew how to lead with that one.
You are correct: you don’t need his blessing or his approval. It’s nice to have, and it makes the future relationship a little less contentious. However, seeing as how women’ve had the right to vote, own property and manage their own finances for the last 3/4s of a century, it’s hardly necessary.
I’m also somewhat surprised by the implied-if-apparently-impotent threats of financial coercion. Sure, writing them out of the will is a tried-and-true way of keeping failsons and daughters in line, but seeing as Janet has her own career and bank account entirely separate from them, I’m not sure what the point would be. Maybe the estate she would inherit would mean wealth beyond dreams of avarice, but it hardly sounds like meaningful leverage to threaten it when she’s handling her own bills. Maybe it’s because he thinks you’re a filthy gold digger trying to woo his daughter in order to abscond with her money?
Dunno, I’m running out of hackneyed plots at this point.
The point is though: he may be your future father-in-law, but he’s not your father and getting in his face about this isn’t going to have the effect you might hope. About the only thing it will do is confirm that you’re some greaser thug from the wrong side of the tracks and cause him to dig in his heels even further. To be less colorful but still perfectly blunt about it: you have no leverage here to work with. You don’t have the sort of relationship where your disapproval would make a meaningful difference, nor do you have any sort of moral authority or influence to back up or enforce the consequences in a way that would be meaningful.
You know who does, however? Janet. Your fiancé. His daughter. You know: the one he seems to be ignoring and treating like furniture while having these man-to-man discussions with you (and, I guess, Brad). Frankly, I’m a little surprised Janet isn’t the one getting in his face over this, seeing as she’s being disrespected even more than you are. Now, maybe it’s the case that she feels like this is just the family dynamic and expects it to blow over. Families have their quirks, and a lifetime of enduring passive-aggressive manipulative bullshit shows up in all sorts of ways. But the fact of the matter is that you are correct: habitual line-steppers tend to keep line-stepping until someone makes them stop.
I don’t know if your future family is seriously (or fictionally) trying to sabotage things or not, but this sort of interference isn’t going to stop. While they may not try to honey-pot you into a divorce or persuade your fiancé to dump you for a Man In Finance, the odds of them being intrusive grandparents who undermine your authority with your future children or interfere with their upbringing is pretty damn high. Father may not actually know best, but Grandpa seems like the kind of person who’s going to try to assert his will through the grandkids as proxies in his weird-ass dominance and control games.
You and Janet need to have a talk about her family’s behavior, and then she needs to have a very pointed talk with daddy dearest. He doesn’t need to approve or bless the marriage, but he sure as hell needs to accept it and to stop trying to interfere – now and in the future. And while he may think that he has a financial lever to hold over Janet’s future, she has a far more potent one: her presence in their lives. Her disapproval weighs a hell of a lot more than yours does and has much more impact than throwing threats of disinheritance around.
If she’s as uncomfortable with her folks’ behavior as you are, then she needs to take point on this and make it clear that the bullshit has to stop. She may have grown up with it, but the key word here is “grown up”. As in: she is one, and they need to act like it. It’s one thing to tolerate it when one’s folks have actual control and authority over you. It’s another entirely to continue tolerating it when you’re a full-ass adult and their levers of power have been disconnected by her having her own life and finances.
If they’re going to play stupid games like this, they get to win stupid prizes, and those prizes include “spending the holidays with her husband’s family”, “breaking family traditions” and “not having a relationship with their grandchildren.”
Not to mention, there’ll be no wacky sequels where they have to adjust to meeting your punk/boho family and your mother-in-law drinks magic mushroom tea by accident and trips balls while your father-in-law tries to wrap his head around the concept of tofurkey or doing a Three Wise Men with your punk uncle.
Good luck.
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