DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: This is absolutely the first time I’ve ever heard of you, but I read a few articles and thought, ‘Wow, I hope he’ll answer mine,’ because, while the articles I’ve already read do speak to some of the issues I’m having, I don’t think they speak to most of the issues themselves.
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Let me explain. I’m 24, fairly attractive, gay, and recently just graduated with a masters degree. I feel as if, logically, I shouldn’t have a problem finding a partner. That’s really what I want, a partner to settle down with and possibly raise a family. I want to put down roots and be happy. I see it going on around me every single day, my friends and a lot of my former classmates are all getting engaged, getting married, starting families, and I (like always) am left out on the fringes of it all.
So, since I broke things off with my incredibly toxic ex in January 2020, I’ve found myself in a cycle that goes something like this: 1) I meet a guy online (that’s really the only way to meet other gay or bisexual men in my area); 2) both sides develop some kind of interest; 3) we set a date to do something together in person; and then 4) I either get rejected outright (which isn’t very frequent) or ghosted by the guy in question (which is very frequent).
It’s really starting to hammer down on my self-esteem and self-worth. If I do get rejected outright, then I’m consistently told something along the lines that I’m “too much,” “something else,” “ugly,” or whatever else fits their fancy in order to get me to stop talking to them. I don’t understand why I can never win when it comes to dating. I’ve been in situations with other guys who are pushy, persistent, and outright annoying, so I try my best not to be like them, yet somehow that’s how I’m getting described when I feel like I’m just putting my best foot forward and making a good effort.
I feel like I should also mention that I have a suspicion these guys tell me exactly what I want to hear just so they can f--k me, but I don’t know how to change that. I’ve tried being more direct and intentional. Nothing works.
Stressed the f--k out,
A Troubled Soul
DEAR A TROUBLED SOUL: Alright ATS, I’m going to say all of this with the obvious caveat: I’m a cis straight guy. I’m not going to necessarily have the same perspective as someone who’s gay or dates within the queer community, which means that there’s always going to be angles or aspects that I may miss. Take my advice with all relevant amounts of salt.
So, I’m going to pull the curtain back a bit on the whole “dating advice” biz and tell you something a lot of advice columnists and dating coaches won’t: it’s really difficult to answer the question of “why am I getting rejected so often?” The problem — from the advice-giving end — is that, unless we follow you around like a date-seeking Richard Attenborough documentary, it’s hard to give a definitive answer.
(Incidentally, producers, I’m totally down for this. Call me!)
And even then, it’s going to be a relatively limited answer, because we will have only seen that small sliver of your life… or those of your prospective matches, for that matter. Without full 8k, sensurround data of both your internal narrative and everyone else’s and watching every second from some social panopticon… we’re only going to be able to give best and informed guesses.
This, incidentally is 60% of the reason why so much dating advice is so generic and unhelpful; people want to say something that isn’t “f--ked if I know”, but they don’t have anything useful, insightful or actionable, and so they default to either feel-good rah-rah smoke or something do broadly applicable that it’s almost meaningless.
The remaining 40% is split between wanting to just exit the conversation as quickly as possible and “I dunno… maybe you’re acting like an asshole?”
Now that having been said: here’s my best guess based on what you’ve given me to work with.
The first issue isn’t an issue, so much as a mindset: the assumption that logic comes into dating at all. If relationships were at all logical, I’d be out of a job. As the wise man once said: love isn’t brains, it’s blood screaming for you to work its will. There will always be people who seem like they have everything that would make them a perfect match on paper, and yet they still struggle… often for reasons that have nothing to do with them or that they can affect. Is that fair? Is it logical? No… but it is what it is. Adjusting your expectations accordingly helps you understand how much of dating can be a numbers game, particularly when you’re dealing with apps.
Now the second issue may well be your age and what you want from a relationship. You’re young, my dude; even if it doesn’t feel like it to you, you’re still taking those early steps out into the world… and so are so many of your peers. You’re at a stage where a sizable proportion of your peers are more interested in f--king around than finding out. A lot of people at 24 are less interested in anything long term than either dating around or short term serial-monogamy. If you’re already on the marriage-kids-white-picket-fence-in-the-suburbs track, then you may be having a harder time finding guys your age who are also looking for that. And this isn’t a straight/gay/pan thing… it tends to be a guy thing. As Jenna Birch points out in her book The Love Gap, a lot of guys tend to progress in a linear fashion: they feel like they have to hit their achievements in sequential order before they’re “ready” to start dating seriously. That tends to mean “getting to a certain point in their careers”, “achieving X place in life” and so on… which often doesn’t come around until their late 20s or later.
(Would it make more sense to work on some of those in parallel instead? Yes, of course it would. Would it make even more sense to realize that they don’t need to be at 6th level before they unlock the “steady relationship” feat? Of course. But remember what I said about the place logic and sense has in this…)
So part of what you’re bumping into is simply the people you’re most interested in dating have different priorities right now… priorities that, unfortunately, clash with yours.
Now this ties into a potential third issue: demographics. You mention that you live in a place where the only reliable way to meet gay, bi or pan men is via dating apps. Men who sleep with men are already a relatively small portion of the general population; you might be in a place where they’re a fraction of a fraction. If that’s the case, then that can contribute to having a more difficult time finding guys who want the same kind of relationship you do. In areas with larger gay populations, the odds of finding folks who are on the same track as you tilts more in your favor, just by dint of sheer numbers. But if you’re in an area where the local LGBTQ community is split amongst three or four towns within driving distance of one another, then you have a smaller pool of potential candidates.
The fourth potential issue is a little thornier… in part because we only have your perspective to go on. You say that the guys who reject you directly tell you that “you’re too much” or what-not, presumably to get you to drop it and go away. The problem here is that whatever they tell you may or may not be accurate. What, exactly does “too much” mean, in this case? Are you being too pushy and not taking “no” — or “being ghosted” — for an answer? Is it that you have a strong, even overbearing personality and they just don’t vibe with it? Are you particularly campy in an area where the local gay and bi men are more straight-presenting? Or is it that you want something more settled and heteronormative and most of the guys you’re running into on the apps just don’t?
It’s impossible to say, and if we’re all being honest… the guys rejecting you may well not be able to say, either. This is one of the reasons why I tell guys that asking the people who reject them what they did wrong isn’t helpful. A lot of times, the person who rejected you either isn’t going to tell you the truth… or they may well not know themselves. A lot of times, people honestly think it’s one thing when, with time and perspective, they realize that it was something else entirely.
Now that having been said: you say you suspect that a lot of guys are, in the run-up to the date, are telling you what you want to hear in order to get into your pants. Unfortunately, that’s a common issue. A lot of men across the sexuality spectrum tend to cling to a philosophy of “man, the s--t I’ll say to get laid,” where they will put on whatever facade it takes to get up in someone. Part of the issue you’re dealing with may be that you aren’t looking for a short-term hook-up… but other dudes are. If the guys you’re talking to are only interested in getting laid, finding another guy who’s also up for it means less work than trying to wine you and dine you until they can get what they want… and so they ghost like Walter Peck shut down the containment field.
The frustrating thing about all of this is that there’re relatively few actionable things to take away from this besides “keep trying” and “maybe consider looking in places where the demographics are more in your favor.”You could dial back the aspects of trying to get answers from folks who just aren’t into you… but if you’re not compatible in the first place, that’s not going to change their minds and make them decide that they are looking for someone to settle down with. Hell, you could be doing everything right and it could just be “look, you want X, everyone around you wants Y”. As the saying goes: it’s possible to commit no mistakes and still lose.
You could change what you’re looking for and accept the short-term, less, committed types, but that probably won’t make you happy. You can keep beating your head against this particular wall and frustrate yourself while you wait for your peers to get to the point where they’re ready for something more committed… but that’s not going to change much.
What I suggest for now — at least for the short term — is to de-prioritize dating for a while. You say that this is starting to hammer on your self-esteem; taking a break will go a long way towards giving you time to recover. After all, if it keeps hurting when you do something, it’s often a good idea to stop doing it.
This isn’t to say that you should give up on dating or finding someone… just that you may need to get off the apps and give some room for serendipity while you focus on the things that feed your soul and make your life awesome. This is one of the reasons why I recommend building your social circle; it gives you more opportunities to meet people through your day to day life — people who are more likely to be compatible with you and your long-term relationship goals — than swiping regularly.
And here’s one more thing to keep in mind, my dude: you’re young. You’re not even vaguely close to “running out of time”; you’ve got literal decades ahead of you. While I get the “want this now” impulse, this may be a case where patience is going to be your best virtue. One of the things that people your age and in your situation often don’t realize is that the whole 18-24 demographic isn’t prime relationship time. More often than not, you still have a lot of learning and self-discovery coming down the line; the things you prioritize in your mid 20s change when you hit your 30s. And while I know it feels like everyone else is coupling up and starting families… that doesn’t mean you’re the last one out, nor that you need to be on their timeline. Take a deep breath, let it out slowly and just prepare to commit to yourself and your awesome life for now. Let the dating apps be something you do briefly during downtime; if you match with someone, great, if not, no great loss.
Give yourself some time for your self-esteem to recover and your peers to catch up. It’s frustrating now, but it won’t be forever.
And if you need to improve your odds of finding someone righthehellnownownow… well, that’s when looking at larger metropolitan areas may be a better idea for you.
Good luck.
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