DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I am a 68 year old man, dating a 59 year old woman. After dating my girlfriend for almost a year and a half she told me that she had 5 or 6 threesomes in her past. This occurred when her husband was ill and gave her permission to seek satisfaction outside of the marriage. She got on Plenty of Fish and hooked up with a FWB that after a while proceeded to set up MMF threesomes. They both enjoyed the one-on-one sex and the threesomes for about 6 months or almost a year. His illness got worse and she walked away from that lifestyle.��She says it was just sex with FWBs, very detached. They hardly ever kissed, rarely spent time outside the hotel room etc.
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Her husband eventually passed and she didn’t see anyone for 8 years before dating me. I really value this relationship and need to process this information that she’s shared with me.��I seem to be experiencing retroactive jealousy over something I had absolutely no control or involvement in. Need help dealing with my jealousy so I can continue to grow this relationship.��Thanks�The Past Is A Foreign Country
DEAR THE PAST IS A FOREIGN COUNTRY: What you’re experiencing is called “retroactive jealousy”, TPFC. Usually when we experience jealousy in a relationship – something that happens to everybody – it’s because of something happening either in the present or in our shared past with our partners.
Retroactive jealousy, on the other hand, involves feeling jealousy over experiences that your partner had long before you two ever met, never mind started dating. And while it’s tempting to write retroactive jealousy off as insecurity and tell people “look, build yourself a bridge and get over it”, it’s worth digging into.
More often than not, feelings of jealousy are the “check engine” light of relationships; they’re a signal that something is off, somewhere. But, like the check engine light, that doesn’t mean that the “something” is serious or threatening. Just like the check engine light could mean that your engine is about to drop out of the car if you drive over 55 MPH or you didn’t tighten the gas cap until it clicked, sometimes those feelings of jealousy may mean that there’s actual danger to the relationship… or it may mean that you’re feeling an unmet need somewhere.
This is especially true when it comes to retroactive jealousy; after all, it seems a bit silly to feel upset about things that were done long before you two were an item. How rational is it to be upset about somebody’s actions before you two were in a relationship? But as the saying goes: your feelings are valid.
That is: the way that you feel is valid. You are definitely feeling the thing you’re feeling and people can’t tell you not to feel them. That doesn’t mean that the reason for those feelings are sensible, logical or even real.
So, much like when dealing with contemporary jealousy, it’s worth digging down and figuring out just why you’re feeling the way you feel. What, precisely, about your girlfriend’s sexual past is bothering you so much and why?
Folks who, for example, feel threatened by a partner’s past relationships are often dealing with issues in their own lives, often in their own pasts. If they had a partner who cheated on them with or left them for an ex, then seeing pictures of their current partner with someone from their past might bring up the worry that they might get hurt again.
Getting hung up on a partner’s sexual history is another common source of retroactive jealousy and also tends to involve issues from that person’s own past. Sometimes being aware of their partner’s sexual adventures in previous relationships can affect the idealized image of who their partner is. Other times, it could mean that they feel inadequate; their partner had all these crazy adventures with people before now, so why not with them? Or it could bring up feelings of not being able to measure up, not being able to perform to the same standard or simply feeling as though being more sexually experienced gives them an edge in the relationship… somehow.
Does that make sense? Of course not. But that’s jealousy and insecurity for you; if it made sense, I’d be out of a job.
So, right now, you’re feeling jealous and weird because your partner – with her husband’s permission – had some wild times, including threesomes with two men before she started dating you. The place to start digging would be exactly where those negative feelings start in that sentence. Which part of this is the trigger? The fact that she was married at the time? The fact that her husband was chronically ill at the time? Could it be that he gave her permission to go seek sex outside their marriage because he was ill? Was it the fact that she had an open relationship? Or is it the exact acts that bother you? Would you feel as jealous if she had been with a hetero couple instead?
To be clear: I’m asking you these without judgement. There’s no right or wrong answer here, no choice in this that is more acceptable or less bad. It’s not about “well, if this is what’s bothering you, that just means you’re a bad person”, it’s about figuring out what’s making that check engine light come on so it can be addressed.
It’s also possible that you may not know, precisely, what the issue is. It could be that the whole thing is tangled up in your head and you may knee-jerk to an answer just to have one. Landing on “she had threesomes with two men” would be an easy one to default to, especially if you grew up with the idea that women are less sexual than men and that women aren’t supposed to be sexually adventurous or that sleeping with two men, instead of a man and a woman or two women, is somehow dirtier or more degrading.
But the fact that culturally this is the easier answer doesn’t mean that’s what’s actually bothering you.It could well be, for example, that you worry that this means that if something happened to you – you were stricken with Long COVID or became bedridden or disabled – that she’d leave you to be with someone else. Or you might worry that the fact that they opened their marriage means that she can’t or won’t be satisfied with a monogamous commitment. Or you might feel left out; she had these great adventures in the past, but seemingly has no interest to have them with you.
This is why it’s important to dig deep and not just immediately assume that the first thing that comes to mind is the correct one. There’s a saying that I like: your first reaction is what you were taught; your second reaction is how you actually feel. Separating your actual feelings from what you were told to feel is incredibly important.
Take some time and put some serious introspection into this. Once you feel like you have a pretty good grasp on what’s actually bothering you about this, then it’s time to start processing and handling things.
Now, depending on what, precisely is triggering these feelings for you, there are a few things to do. If, for example, you’re feeling retroactive jealousy because of past traumas in your own relationships, the most obvious answer is to talk to a counselor or therapist to help heal those particular wounds. On the other hand, if the issue is that you feel insecure in your relationship – you worry that this means she will cheat on you or that you won’t be “enough” for her – then you should talk a little with your partner about those feelings. Letting her know that you worry about this and you’d appreciate a little reassurance or for her to love you a bit louder when those worries crop up can help ease the fear that her past is an inevitable future for you.
You should also make a point of doing some things that make you feel good about yourself. Much of insecurity, especially when you find yourself feeling jealous of past exes or past experiences, comes from how you see yourself. Doing the things that make you feel good about who you are, whether it’s dressing better, accomplishing some goal or just finding things that make you feel like a sexy badass, help ease the feeling of not being “good enough”.
In those cases, yes, some reassurance from your partner can help… but only if you believe her. And it’s a lot harder to believe that she means it when she says you’re enough or all she wants when you don’t feel that way about yourself. So, like the hot dog vendor said to the monk with a fifty dollar bill: true change must come from within.
The other thing I would suggest is to sit down with your partner and talk about those experiences. Not so much in the nitty-gritty ‘Dear Penthouse’ way, but about what those experiences meant to her, how she feels about them now, and so on. You want to be non-judgmental and accepting in these conversations; after all, you want her to be honest with you, not just telling you reassuring things that you want to hear. Knowing how she actually feels – if, for example, she would ever want to have those experiences again, or it was a “glad I did it, but that’s done now” – can help you get more of a handle on your own feelings. Knowing how she feels about it all helps chase away the whispers from your jerk-brain that say “she’s just waiting for a chance to cheat on you” or “she’d never be that adventurous with you.”
The thing to keep in mind, though, is that this is a you problem, not a her problem, and it’s not on her to solve it for you. Her past may be the trigger for these feelings, but they’re your feelings, and that means you have to be the one to resolve them. She can help by giving you the extra love and support you need on occasion if those feelings flare up, but you’re the one who has to manage them, process them and ultimately resolve them.
Now, the good news is that if you treat this as an opportunity for growth, you have the chance to turn this discomfort into a moment to improve and strengthen your relationship. Open, honest and non-judgmental communication are all vital parts of a successful relationship, as are being able to express your needs, worries and fears. But so too are acceptance and understanding – both of your partner and her past, and of yourself. Keep that in mind, and you’ll find that you and your partner will have a relationship that doesn’t just succeed but flourishes.
Good luck.
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