DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I’m a nerd myself, and I have a bit of a conundrum. So, I’m a guy who’s currently trying to date. The problem? I’m a man who wants to be “the woman” in a relationship; I’m submissive.
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For starters, I’m attracted to tomboys and general masculine traits in women. Muscles are my kryptonite, and I love qualities like leadership, bravery, rational thinking, heroism, protectiveness, assertiveness, and willingness to be violent if need be.
By contrast, feminine traits are either unimportant or unattractive. The ones that are the most unattractive to me are submissiveness, physical weakness, cowardice (if that counts), and pacifism. In fact, it’s ideal if a woman I like is “one of the guys.”
Then there’s my body. I’m 5’6″/167 cm, so I’m short for an (American) man–something that just got me rejected by someone. I get that a lot of women like to feel small, but I’d personally like that too. I’m cool with being taller, but it’s ideal to me if my SO is my height or taller than me. I care more about physical strength than height, so me being taller isn’t necessarily an issue. I just don’t like to feel BIG.
And as you can probably tell at this point, I’d rather play the supportive role in a relationship. Following her lead, cooking for her, cleaning for her, even making her feel strong, reliable, and like a hero.
I’ve tried my luck online, but nothing. And I tried to shoot my shot with two women at my job who were tomboyish, but they were both lesbians. So what can I do? I know many women want men who can “be the man”, but that’s just not me. How do I date when I basically want the roles reversed?
House Husband
DEAR HOUSE HUSBAND: HH, you’re hardly alone in this. There’s a popular meme that started going around four years ago that goes:
“Quiet, laid back men, why do you go for loud, fiery women?”
“Someone’s gotta tell the waiter that I ordered the mashed potatoes and it ain’t gonna be me.”
By that same token, I think a whole generation of gamers felt something unlock when they booted up Baldurs’ Gate 3 and got introduced to Karlach, the tiefling Muscle Mommy of the party. And, y’know, fair; Karlach was definitely my Tav’s romance pick for my canon BG3 run through. That combo of voice, personality (so well embodied by Samantha Béart’s performance) and knowing that she could conceivably bench press a dude is enough to take one’s breath away through sheer presence alone.
And hopefully, also her hands.
I can also tell you that those women – the tall, built, assertive and protective are out there. I know several. But, as is so often the case, when you’re looking for a specific type, the shotgun approach of flailing around randomly is not going to work. Maybe, maybe you get lucky by random chance, but the odds are better that you’re going to get a lot of nothing and the occasional false positive. As is so often the case, if you want to find the people you’re most compatible with, you have to go seeking them out specifically.
You can’t just roll up into any random club or bar and hope to find an Amazon. Once again, it’s an inelegant metaphor, but if you’re hunting for lions, you don’t go looking in Anchorage, Alaska, you go stalk the Serengeti. If you’re looking for the Hippolyta or Atalanta of your dreams, you gotta go spend time where they do.
It also helps if you do a little due diligence first. Just randomly shooting your shot at every tomboy or more butch-looking woman means that you’re much more likely going to run into lesbians than you are women who sleep with men.
There’re a few things you can do to increase your odds of finding the right people for you. For one, if you’re going to use the apps, you want to make sure you’re using not just the right apps, but that you’ve fine-tuned your profile for that particular subset of women. You’re much more likely to find dominant women looking for more submissive men on an app like Feel’d than you are on Tinder or Hinge. You also would want to set your height range to 5’8” or taller, look for particular interests like sports, Crossfit, MMA, weightlifting, body building or other athletics and the widest array of “sleeps with men” that the search function will provide.
Similarly, you want to make it clear that you’re an aspiring wife-guy/house-husband/support class, rather than someone who’s looking for a more “traditional” relationship where people fall into the expected gender roles. Having pictures that emphasize your cooking and cleaning and softer side will help people who are looking for a guy like you see what you’re offering.
But online is only part of the equation. The other part is going to the places where you’re more likely to meet them in person. And that means you’re going to have to start doing some research, finding out what’s around you and possibly being willing to increase your overall search radius.
Now the most obvious place would be to start looking at body builder gyms – not your usual Planet Fitness or 24-hour chain but the place where the competitive body builders go to train. While most of these places tend to be full of testosterone-boosting gear-heads, those are also the places where you’re most likely to find female bodybuilders and power lifters – women who will fit your preferred stature.
You might also start looking into folks who are into Olympic sports. The build necessary to be successful at, say, hammer-throw, discus or shot-put is going to be a lot closer to what you’re looking for. Or you might want to look into martial arts, particularly grappling styles like judo or jiu-jitsu and MMA gyms.
Now I will warn you that a lot of the more athletically minded women are likely going to be more interested in someone who is up for an athletic lifestyle – both in terms of dietary restrictions but also demands on their time. Not every athletically inclined woman is going to want a gym-bunny partner of her own, but you’re going to have more success if you can show that you’re compatible with the kind of lifestyle she leads. And as a heads up, the more aggro the sport – like, say, CrossFit – the more likely that they’re going to want someone who could keep up with them.
I mention this because, even though God knows athletes date non-athletes all the time, what they don’t want is to be treated like a fetish object, nor do they want their passion treated like someone’s very specific Sex ATM. Just as women in yoga classes get tired of dudes who are only there to ogle women in tight clothes and try to snag dates, athletes aren’t going to appreciate a guy who gives off a vibe that they’re there to try to find unconventional sex partners. So you’re going to want to tread carefully and – ideally – find a gym or a group where you would be interested in participating even if you weren’t trying to find your own Julie Bell pinup.
Depending on where you live, you may also want to start looking to more rural areas. Once you start getting into more remote parts of the country, where you have more hunting/farming/ranching-oriented lifestyles and businesses, you’re going to find more women who are “one of the guys” and tend to do more manual labor or hard work that will correspond to a lot more functional muscle and strength.
This would also apply to areas with a lot of outdoor/adventure tourism, including things like hiking, river-rafting, rock climbing, horseback riding and the like.
Once again, this is going to be a matter of lifestyle. If you’re not willing to live out in the country, then hopping onto Farmers Only and looking for someone to fling you around like a bale of clover is going to be a waste of your time and theirs. Some people may be cool with a long-distance relationship that has you coming out to them or them spending weekends in the city with you, but if your lifestyle isn’t compatible with theirs, no amount of muscle worship is going to make a difference.
One unusual area that you might want to start looking into is the Society for Creative Anachronism – specifically, among the fighters and the armored combatants in particular. While female and AFAB fighters can be a bit thin on the ground, depending on the kingdom, the ones you do meet tend to be the exact sort of build and personality that you’re looking for. Plus, a page/squire and knight dynamic may well fit the sort of relationship you want.
That having been said, I’m going to continue to be a broken record and point out that compatible lifestyles and interests are going to be an important part of overall compatibility. The SCA is a subculture that takes itself very seriously and the armored combatants are an equally serious and committed subculture within it. The entire endeavor is a significant investment of time, energy and money, so I would not start treating it like it’s just a very niche singles group that you can dip into and out of at will. But if that’s the sort of thing that floats your boat, and you’re willing to actually participate, you may well find an Amazon who’s looking for her own cupbearer in the process.
Now the last thing you’re going to have to keep in mind is a bit counter-intuitive: you may be more submissive and more interested in taking on the female-coded role in the relationship, but you’re still going to have to be willing to make the first move. Being submissive doesn’t mean being passive, and showing interest and making it clear that you want to date someone – not just treat them like a fetish object, the way some guys do with female body builders – is going to be important. Even aggressive women have a s--tload of social pressure to not be too aggressive and your being willing to make the first move means that you’ll be cutting through a lot of “I dunno if he actually likes me.” You want it clear that you are attracted to someone because they can pick you up and carry you around like a kitten, not despite it. And then you can provide them with an assortment of baked goods and a good rub-down after their workout.
Good luck.
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