DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: Your stuff on leaving an incel mindset has been extremely helpful for me! I just need to get out there…
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Anyway, I do have one hang up at the moment and it’s with regard to traditional gender roles in dating. I don’t if it’s where I am or what, I frequently come across notions (both online and in person) of a man taking charge being attractive (not mention apparently men doing manly things or like calloused hands).
Not being one who needs or wants everything my way (I’m pretty chill and flexible), it rubs me the wrong way like there is yet some other roadblock. Do these women really mean it or am I in the wrong place?
Any advice or things to look out for?
Following The Leader
DEAR FOLLOWING THE LEADER: Ok first and foremost: I understand why this would rub you the wrong way, but if you’re taking it like a personal affront – that they’re doing this at you – then you’re going to spend a lot of time being annoyed for no reason. This isn’t a roadblock, so much as it’s a compatibility check. Taking it as a universal “every woman feels this way” is a very good way to spend most of your time being upset by people who don’t exist over opinions they don’t have.
It’s always good to remember that confirmation bias is a thing; if you expect to see it all over the place, you will. And seeing as how this is something that hits you in a sensitive spot, you’re more likely to be looking for it and expecting to see it.
But the bigger issue is that what you think they’re saying and what they’re actually saying aren’t necessarily the same thing, nor do they necessarily apply to you or the people you might want to date.
The thing is, “taking charge” is a very vague and nebulous idea and what people mean when they say that is going to vary from person to person. Functionally speaking, there’re two primary ways to interpret this that’re going to be relevant to your question.
The first is exactly as it sounds: there are definitely women who like traditional gender roles, who like the idea of the man taking the dominant or more assertive role in the relationship. That’s just how they roll and that’s great for them, just as it’s great when women prefer to be the more dominant one and like a more submissive or less aggressive partner. As the famous tweet goes: some guys like dating more outspoken and assertive women because someone’s gotta tell the server he didn’t order the mashed potatoes and it’s not going to be him.
The same applies to women who like men doing manly things or like dudes with calloused hands. Some women absolutely will. Some women like men who are softer or whose skills and interest lie elsewhere – there’s a reason why there’s a long and glorious history of poets, musicians, artists and intellectuals getting laid like bandits. It’s down to personal preference.
None of this is universal. It’s not something every woman wants or expects, nor is it something every man is expected to do except by people who are very invested in seeing men being in charge at all times.
If you’re not someone who’s necessarily a Type-A, My Way or The Highway personality that’s fine. It just means that you’re not going to be compatible with someone who wants a guy to be the Dominant Leader. Which is also fine. You don’t want to date someone you can’t rock with or who can’t rock with you.
The second interpretation has less to do with traditional gender roles and more to do with the amount of work that women do in relationships with men. One of the most common issues in straight relationships is how women often find themselves in the role of cruise director; they end up being the person in charge of maintaining social connections, planning dates, meals and outings, keeping the calendar and managing schedules and appointments, etc. This is one of the reasons why a lot of men deal with social isolation, especially after relationships end or their partners die; they’ve come to rely on their partner to basically manage their lives, including their social lives.
This tends to be exhausting, especially for people who are already up to their eyeballs in trying to maintain their own lives. So, it’s not entirely surprising that a lot of people saying that they want to see men actually show up for their lives and take their turn at the tiller instead of just outsourcing it to someone else.
It can also be frustrating when someone never has a preference or opinion about something, because it means that they’re always passing the buck for making decisions off to someone else. Even folks who like being The Planner or The Organizer like having times when someone else does the planning and organizing for once. I like planning outings and dates, but I have to admit, I love it when someone I’m dating plans and proposes a date for me, too.
So, in this interpretation – and one that I think is more relevant for you – what this would mean is that women want to see you step up and be present for your own life. They would like you to take charge of your end of things and to be an active participant, instead of someone so chill and flexible that they seem to have no opinions or wants of their own… or who expect the other person to divine their wants and preferences and have a snit when their partner doesn’t turn out to be Jean Grey or Betsy Braddock.
Just remember: this isn’t a roadblock. Depending on circumstances, it’s either an issue of compatibility or a request to shoulder your share of the labor in a relationship. Both of which are eminently reasonable and both of which will help ensure a stronger, happier relationship overall.
Good luck.
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