DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I (39M) have been single and a virgin most of my life. Growing up I was always a shy kid (still am really). I never had trouble attracting girls, but they were never girls I was interested and seemed to struggle with the girls I WAS attracted to. I probably was a little too shallow for my own good (as I wasn’t entirely a popular kid) and did it in hopes of maybe finding a girl that would make me popular. As a kid it made sense or was worth a shot, but obviously looking back as an adult, it was rather foolish. So all that to say I had no dating experience at all in High school (no prom either).
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In college I tried rushing into fraternities but never made it into one. My social skills weren’t always the best, and despised awkward parties, but I hung out with like-minded introverts. There were girls in our group, but they were either already spoken for, or ones I was not interested in. So I never really dated much in college at all either, except for maybe 1 time. I also did have a girl in a class that I hung out with a lot to study or grab food in between classes, that I thought was out of my league, but I just assumed she just wanted to be friends and thought she would laugh at me if I misread her kindness as interest. Turns out, she was interested, but by the time I realized it, it was too late. I really didn’t try too hard in college.
Post college is really when I started putting more effort into dating, but by then dating apps were starting to become a thing, so being an introvert that seemed perfect. I didn’t have to guess if someone was interested in me or not or feel embarrassed to find out the chatty girl I was talking too was just being friendly and is already spoken for. Anyways, so that was my dating experience for the next 12 years. Tinder, eharmony, Bumble, Match, Facebook dating, Hinge… you name it.
I would maybe get an occasional match here and there and a handful of dates that never went past a second or third date. So, so far it has been rather dispiriting to say the least. I hold their interest very well over text and DM, but after a few dates it’s like the chemistry is all gone in their mind. It always threw me off because I would always leave a date thinking that person was promising, and I may finally have found a good match after a long 4 hour date, only for them to tell me later that I was “a super sweet guy, funny, and would make some girl lucky, but not feeling it”. They all seemed surprised I had never been in a relationship before when they always ask the dreaded “relationship experience” questions.
I’m almost at a point of giving up on online dating. It seems like the women my age that ARE available to date online are there because they are a single mom going through a divorce, are a widow, or just not one bit attractive and in the same boat as me. So more likely to be open to dating a guy like me that doesn’t exactly look like a model. The older I get, the lonelier I get, and more easily “attached”.
I have been seeking therapy for social anxiety and depression, so I am actively working to improve myself and confidence, it just seems so hard to manufacture dating confidence when never given a chance, and my experiences seem to damage the self-esteem. I feel like I am a great person, and a lot to offer, but I guess I’m not selling myself very well
Long story short, my question really is, for someone who has been single all their life, struggled with anxiety, and reading social cues, and is ready to move on from online dating, what would you recommend for that person if they really don’t know how to navigate dating outside the online realm? I don’t know what I’ve been doing wrong. I’ve tried doing social groups of a common interest, but with no success. Help!
-Confused and Lonely
DEAR CONFUSED AND LONELY: ’m going to be blunt, C&L: your letter is one of the reasons why I keep banging the drum about how confidence isn’t built from success.
Your problem is pretty obvious, and I think you summed it up well, here – “I really didn’t try too hard in college.” But to be perfectly honest, I think you could leave off “in college”. It seems for most of your life, from high school on, you’ve been looking for the easiest option that required the least investment from you – from hoping to find a girlfriend that would make you popular, to putting very little effort into making friends or meeting people in college and afterwards.
Honestly, going by what you’ve written, you’ve spent most of your life doing your best to avoid having to interact with people or putting yourself out there and risking rejection. As a result, your social skills have atrophied and your social calibration is way, way off.
Now don’t get me wrong: I have a lot of sympathy and empathy for being a shy kid and not knowing what you were doing. Been there, done that, ended up spending amounts of money I don’t like thinking about to try to correct the problem in the most toxic ways possible. But there comes a point where you have to recognize that the avoidance and the shyness and the fact that you’ve always been trying to work around it instead of confronting it is the core of the problem.
Now, you talk about not having a lot of confidence and how your lack of success (and effort) hampered you in high school and college and how it’s continued from there. Well, that’s not a surprise because, as you said, you didn’t try very hard. The reason why I tell people that confidence isn’t born out of success is that confidence isn’t about knowing that you can succeed. Confidence is knowing that you can do the work that will help you succeed. Confidence is about survival and capability, not success. People, even confident people, fail all the time; sometimes through their own efforts, sometimes for reasons that have nothing to do with them. As the man famously said: it is possible to make no mistakes and still lose. But confidence isn’t about success or failure; it’s about getting back up after you failed and trying again. It’s about knowing that the challenge is going to be hard to overcome and knowing that you’re up to keep at it until you break through. It’s about knowing that failure isn’t going to kill you, that mistakes are there to be learned from, and that tenacity and effort will get you much, much further than innate talent. Confidence about being intimidated or nervous or even scared and doing it anyway, because you know that you may not succeed, but you’re going to give it your all, anyway. And if your all isn’t enough at that point, to know that you can dig down and improve so that it will be, the next time you’re in that position.
Success doesn’t bring confidence; confidence is what makes success possible.
So, in this case, it’s not that your lack of success hampered your confidence which hampered your social skills, it’s that your lack of confidence is part of what kept you from developing those social skills and increased your social anxiety. Avoidance doesn’t make anxiety go away; it just increases the things that make you anxious. Avoiding those just serves to make the world you’re able and willing to live in ever increasingly smaller, like the shrinking safe-zone in Fortnite or PUBG.
And because those skills get underutilized, you run into precisely the problems you have now – where you aren’t good at selling yourself, nor at reading signals nor at building and maintaining the connections with people that you need to build attraction and a relationship. You need those skills, regardless of where you’re meeting people – in person or on dating apps. There’s really no substitute.
To be fair, the dating apps as they exist now are increasingly awful by design. But even back in the day, when they worked as intended, the dating apps weren’t going to make up for poor social skills or an ability to connect with people. One of the mistakes people made back then – and still make – is to think that the app is anything other than a glorified introduction service. Nothing that any of the apps has ever offered or ever will – AI wingmen and Cyranos be damned – can replace the fact that you are still dealing with people and that means you need people skills. Yes, it means that you’re seeing people who are there because they’re single and looking for dates… but the same is true for speed-dating events and singles mixers. Messaging could be less anxiety-inducing than trying to talk to them in the flesh, but there was always going to be the point where you had to meet in person.
This is why success on dating apps has always been tied directly to your overall social skills and ability to connect with people. There simply is no skipping that step if you ever intend to actually, y’know, have a relationship with them.
(And then there’s the fact that there’s no way to tell whether you and someone else are gonna click the way you need to without actually meeting, no matter how good the messaging or even video calls were, so there would always be false positives. But that’s another issue entirely.)
You ask what someone who has struggled with anxiety and reading social cues should do if they’re ready to move on from online dating? Honestly, I’d suggest taking time to focus on the anxiety and social calibration. You’re coming to this late, but not too late (because there is no “too late”), so give yourself permission to build the confidence you want by doing the work. And its going to take work – a lot of work – to get where you want to be.
I don’t think you need to give up on trying to meet people entirely, but I do think your focus should be just on being more social, rather than trying to date. The skills you use to meet new people and make friends are the same skills you use to meet potential partners. But to do so, you’re going to have to be willing to deal with the friction that comes with meeting people. There’s going to be awkwardness. There’s going to be people who aren’t going to go out of their way to adopt their local introvert. You’re going to have to be more proactive, take the initiative more than you’ve shown thus far and be willing to make mistakes and maybe feel a little foolish. That’s part of how confidence is built – taking the hits and getting back up and trying again.
Put your focus there, and the rest will come in time.
Good luck.
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