DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: Been reading your column for years and have suggested it to more than one teenage boy when they’re thinking or asking about relationships. You also answered a geeky work question for me, Way Back When.
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Now, the reason I’m writing is because I’m looking for advice. I’m female, in my forties, small fat with a huge rack. This does not tend to bring out the best behaviour in straight men and boys, in my experience, and my interactions with men over the years have all been some flavour of unpleasant. Being called names, having eggs thrown at me, being laughed at, jeered at for not being DTF immediately after meeting someone, being called frigid and also a whore (I could multitask apparently!)
I also had what might be termed an… interesting path to adulthood, which included some serious emotional trauma, and I assumed for years that my lack of sexual desire for a partner was down to that. In essence I thought: Bad behaviour from masculine people meant that I was afraid of sex or sexuality. I thought that I was broken, because I never looked at anyone and immediately wanted to shag them. I also assumed that it meant I would never have a partner, because alas I seemed to be straight and what man would want a fat, mouthy woman who never put out?
Turns out, things were a bit more complicated than that, though.
A few years ago I found the term demisexual, and for the first time I felt like maybe I wasn’t broken, like maybe my experience of desire made sense. Last year I also began unpacking all the toxic BS in therapy. I also began thinking about what I might want in a partner. It’s a work in progress, and it will be a while, I think, before I’m ready to date, but at least now I think it might be possible. I have my sense of style down, and my presentation; I’m in a good place in my life professionally, too, and I like who I am now, which wasn’t always the case.
So with all that going on, why am I writing to you?
Well, I am a woman and I appear to be attracted mainly to men… But a lot of mainstream masculinity really turns me off. I don’t want someone loud, brash (sorry, “confident,”) or dominant. Being bossed around or controlled gives me the Ick. The things that turn me on tend to be quietness, nerdiness, kindness and gentleness. All of these seem to be considered taboo among men and manly types, though. I also suspect I’m pansexual because I don’t always only fancy blokes. I think I’m some flavour of Queer and Ace essentially, but I’ve been read as straight and cis my whole life and that’s only changing now.
So I’m wondering, where might I find the sort of partners I might like, male or otherwise? I have considered looking at faith-based dating because there might be less expectation of sex immediately, but I am an atheist and I don’t think that’s fair. I have tried the dating apps but when I say I’m demisexual I’m either asked “what that means?” (as if Google isn’t a thing) or whether I’ve been sexually assaulted and is that why I’m “like that?” Neither are optimal. But even though I’m not ready to try dating yet, I would like to have an idea of where I might start, rather than it becoming a Big Unknown for me to worry about. I don’t want to give it more power than it should have, you know?
So where might I find the sort of men (and others) I want? Are there other options than the standard straight guy I keep running into? In short, what would be your advice, Doc?
Looking For The Soft Silent Type
DEAR LOOKING FOR THE SOFT SILENT TYPE: I’m glad you’ve made all this progress, LFSST, and that you’ve gotten more in touch with yourself and your sense of your sexuality. That’s a pretty big deal, especially when it means first confronting a lot of misconceptions and self-limiting beliefs you’d been carrying around for all this time.
Now, that having been said, I think there’re also some other misconceptions that you’re still holding on to – in this case about men. And to be clear, I absolutely understand how this came about from most of the encounters you’ve had with men; it’s not exactly surprising that having this sort of mistreatment from people isn’t going to leave you with the most nuanced view of them.
So, this is going to feel like a weird digression from your question, but stick with me for a moment, I promise it’ll make sense. One of the things I’ve been hammering on lately has been how much of gender is a performance, rather than anything inherent. And many times, the performance of gender that’s required is contrary to people’s actual wants, desires or personalities. The performance is mandated for social acceptance, and any deviance from it gets punished – primarily socially, often physically, but also frequently (and with this administration, increasingly) legally. It wasn’t that long ago in the United States that there were laws that, for example, declared that if women didn’t have a certain number of “feminine” articles of clothing, they could be arrested for cross-dressing. So, just the act of wearing pants could get you arrested if you were a woman.
And it’s telling that these were things that folks felt had to be legally mandated because it reveals something important: the supposed “standards” only exist and have power as long as everyone agrees to follow them. When people start refusing to go along, it becomes very apparent, very quickly, how arbitrary and bulls--t these expected standards and behaviors are.
A lot of the pushback that we’ve seen to the increasing equity of men and women and to rights for queer and trans people is about punishing people who refuse to play the roles their gender supposedly dictates. After all, if – in the minds of insecure sexists and bigots – men can just “become” women and women can “be” men, then the supposed “natural” order of things is revealed to be a house of cards. This is why, for example, people get whingey and upset about loud, brash and outspoken women – women who display seemingly “masculine” behaviors or personalities. The same goes for men; men who aren’t hypersexual (or aren’t willing to attempt to be) or who are more soft-spoken or are less assertive are deemed to be too “girly”. These behaviors tend to get people subjected to various forms of “correction” by others – sometimes through shaming and insults, sometimes through force. We’ve just gone through several years of increasingly unhinged bloviating from people like Tucker Carlson, Matt Walsh and Jesse Watters precisely because more and more people are saying “f--k all that noise,” and they need people to keep up the performance for them to have any credibility or authority at all.
I bring this up because this pressure to perform and behave a certain way in order to “be” a man or a woman is directly overlapping with your experiences trying to date. There’re a lot of men who aren’t loud or domineering or brash, but they often seem thin on the ground, especially ones around your age. They’re out there, but they tend to not be the most visible – both by nature, but also because they’re not used to having room to be less assertive or to not be the dominant one in the relationship.
And honestly, there’re more than a few who end up putting on the performance of restrictive and toxic forms of masculinity because they think that’s what women want and what they need to be to find a partner.
Now, there’ve been more than a few softer, gentler and more submissive men who’ve written in, asking where to find women who are fiery, assertive and more dominant; it may be helpful to read a couple of those pieces as a starting point for where you might find some cis men who are your speed. Overall, however, finding the folks (of any gender) who you’re going to be most compatible with is going to require a not-insignificant investment of your time.
I don’t think you’re going to find a lot of the ones you’re looking for on the dating apps. Part of it is just the nature of the apps themselves – the massive gender imbalance in the user base, the algorithmic push to monetize the users, the dudes who swipe right on every woman in hopes of maximizing matches – and some of it is how it’s very hard to determine compatibility when you don’t meet in person. Part of why dating apps can be frustrating is that so much of what makes us attractive and attracted to another person can only be determined in physical proximity; even video chats can’t convey the almost subliminal distinctions that say “yes” about this person and “no” about another.
But another part of the problem is that the apps aren’t necessarily where you’re going to find folks who are right for you. I have to be honest, I quite literally snort-laughed when I reached the part about your looking at faith-based dating apps and scenes; that is probably the last place where you were going to find people who click with you. While folks can and do vary within communities, most of the men you’re going to find on the faith-focused apps are far more likely to be… let’s call it “more traditional” than you want. These tend to draw folks who are more small-c and large-c conservative, and who aren’t necessarily going to be cool with a brassy, possibly demisexual, possibly queer woman. Or rather: they would be, but only in the sense of “correcting” her. You may notice how many dudes chase after baddies and then immediately start demanding she change all the things about herself that drew them in the first place. This is precisely the sort of thing that you are trying to avoid – dudes who want to show off the girl (and I do mean girl, not woman) they caught, “tamed” and shoved into a cage.
The same goes with finding someone who understands what demisexuality is (even if they may not know the term) and can rock with it. More folks are learning how sexuality isn’t binary but a multi-axis spectrum, even recognizing it in themselves, but the ones who are around your age and are on the apps and are cool with it aren’t going to be as obvious or visible as the ones who are going to demand that first you educate them and then that you make an exception for them.
The third thing is that you’re (possibly, likely) demisexual and need that emotional connection to really feel the sexual connection. That’s hard to do over a dating app, simply because the apps are really (theoretically, anyway) focused on “match, meet, date”. They tend to be faster paced than a lot of demi people would prefer, simply because most people are allosexual and want to establish a sexual connection fairly quickly. That’s not a bad thing, but it means that it’s a less optimal way for someone like you to meet your people.
This is why I think one of the better choices for you is to prioritize being social and meeting people in person – not necessarily in dating contexts but in places where you can meet people, take time to know them and vet them and see if you can build the emotional connection that makes the rest of it happen.
Now, one thing that can work in your favor, is that you’ve learned that you may not be entirely straight. Queer spaces tend to draw people who aren’t necessarily going to feel constrained by traditional gender roles or performances. Since you’re still learning more about your sexuality and who you might be attracted to, taking part in the queer community, meeting people who are on the same journey as you and generally just making friends and connections would probably be a good starting point – especially since you’re something of a slow burn when it comes to sex.
To be sure, people are people regardless of sexuality, but I think you’re more likely to meet folks who are your speed, have more compatible personalities and temperaments and are more likely to understand concepts like demisexuality, than you are at bars or hetero-focused meet markets.
The other thing I would suggest is to focus on your hobbies and passions and pursue them in public. Finding groups, meetups and gatherings of like-minded folks means that you put yourself among people that you already share commonalities with – making it a lot easier to get to know people and seeing if they’re folks you could rock with or not. You might also look into volunteer opportunities, especially in areas that encourage softer skills and personalities – ones that involve compassion, empathy and agreeableness. You’re far more likely to find someone who’s sweet and gentle and maybe a little on the quiet side working with, say, the elderly or taking care of animals than hitting up the speed-dating events at the local pub.
But in any of these scenarios, you’re going to have to be the one to make it clear what you’re looking for, to be willing to make the first move and – importantly �– to be on the lookout for them as much as hanging out your shingle and waiting for them to find you. But considering the qualities you want to see in someone you’d date? I suspect they’d love it for someone confident to come along and sweep them off their feet.
Good luck.
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